Today a video that sets out to “prove” that Ke$ha’s “Tik Tok” and Katy Perry’s “California Gurls” and Miley Cyrus’ “Permanent December” are “the same song” made the rounds, and as you can imagine, it got a lot of pickup from people who like getting all OMG [INSERT LOATHED ARTIST HERE] IS SUCH A RIPOFF SUCK ARTIST. What I don’t get is why the rhetoric surrounding the video has turned into a matter of artistic intent of the three singers, instead of a look at the similarities behind the scenes. To wit:
“Tik Tok” is credited to Kesha “Ke$ha” Sebert, Lukasz “Dr. Luke” Gottwald, and Benjamin “Benny Blanco” Levin.
“Calfornia Gurls” is credited to Katy “Ugh” Perry, Bonnie “Hey Guys I Was In ‘The Long Tail’” McKee, Calvin “Snoop Dogg” Broadus, Max Martin, and Dr. Luke.
“Permanent December” is credited to Miley Cyrus, John Shanks, and Claude Kelly. Kelly co-wrote Kelly Clarkson’s “My Life Would Suck Without You” with Max and Luke, Britney Spears’ “Circus” with Luke and Benny, Miley Cyrus’ “Party in the U.S.A.” with Luke and Jessica Cornish, and Adam Lambert’s “For Your Entertainment” with Dr. Luke. Obviously I’m not privy to how exactly those credits break down, but you do see a pattern here. Shanks has writing credits on, among other songs, Hilary Duff’s “Come Clean” (with Kara DioGuardi!!), a bunch of songs from Ashlee Simpson’s Autobiography, and some of the non-singles from Kelly Clarkson’s Breakaway.*
So, to sum up: People who worked together have aesthetics that have rubbed off on one another. I mean, ugh, I know it’s the Internet, and OMG CONTROVERSY is the name of the pageview-goosing game. And it’s not like there are Dr. Luke fangirls clogging up ONTD and big-upping their hero and his protégés and collaborators 24/7. But Jesus, people. If you want to bitch about songs on the radio sounding the same, maybe scratch the surface as far as Wikipedia and figure out why?
(via bwall05)
* Shanks also produced and co-wrote Swirl 360’s Ask Anybody, which was an amazing attempt to answer the question, “what if Adam Schlesinger and the guy from the Posies tried to write a real-life pop album?” It didn’t really work commercially, but it is a really fun record. You can probably find it for cheap on Amazon.
As always, Maura is totally on-point. To point out how late ‘Vulture’ is on this and perhaps, how lame or page-viewing-baiting they are, I first heard this video when Howard Stern played it a few months ago. It annoyed me then, but hey, it’s Howard Stern and he doesn’t have to be smart about pop music like that.
To stretch this point though, this isn’t anything new either. Go listen to a Phil Spector greatest hits and tell me the dude wasn’t kinda sorta doing this sort of thing. Go listen to an Al Green album from the early/mid 70s then listen to say, Anne Peebles’ I Can’t Stand The Rain (song or entire album) and hear Willie Mitchell and company making “the same” song.
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an explicit point...reference when they talk...conversation...
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only this: Interpret art however you wish—apply...backstory, appreciate
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epistrophy reblogged this from tomewing and added:
this idea a lot but it does seem most apt...certain contexts like
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we really don’t need...pop, and that, if it...question, it’s...
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I totally see your point, and the whole rockist slant hadn’t occurred to me, especially its sexist implications. I don’t...
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agrammar said:
I was just writing something about Perry and defaulted to that superhero metaphor — the pop star as a narrative/character the singer’s responsible for acting out. (It’s just as true for folks in rock bands who aren’t driving the band’s ideas/style!)
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cureforbedbugs reblogged this from tomewing and added:
Also important to realize that co-writing became a pretty complicated issue in pop and teenpop in the 00’s. Katy Perry...
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Yeah. This -the question of agency in pop - is always a thorny one (partly because there’s so much we just don’t know...
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Of course, a focus on the producers like this easily plays into certain rockist (and not incidentally sexist) paradigms...
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might be an argument for crediting...producer rather than
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Apropos of, uh, something or other: Amanda Latona...“International Federation of...
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I’d add “Dynamite” (Dr. Luke’s crowning achievement)...songs that sound
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As always, Maura...totally on-point....point out how late...
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In my experience, no non-music nerd/critic has EVER looked up...pop songwriting credit....
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last paragraph: WHICH GUY FROM THE POSIES? I feel...my once-favorite band got
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I got “Hey Now Now” stuck in my head a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t know why, but now I do: I am tumblrpsychic.
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